Stones on DECCA

Rolling Stones No 2

LK 4661

Issued in UK on January 15th 1965. This one exists only in Mono version.

The second album is also highly interesting from a collectors point of view, even though it do not have as much of versions as the first one. But still it is possible to do a lot of findings on this one as well. The LP sold in large quantities throughout the 60’s and new pressings were ordered regularly. This album is mostly famous for the back cover Blind Man Text that even opened up discussions in the UK parliament.

Vinyl versions

Ring pressing or "Grooved Label"

The deep pressed ring in the vinyl under the label is in use until the summer of 1968. LK4661 is existing with grooved label as well as with non grooved label. This proves that LK4661 was also pressed later than summer of 1968 and up to the end of 1969 when the non boxed DECCA was changed into boxed DECCA logo.

Cover versions

"The Blind Man"

There are two versions of the back cover text existing. The first cover print has this text version that was then removed on later printings:

“If you don’t have the bread,
see that blind man knock him on the head,
steal his wallet and low and behold you have loot,
if you put in the boot, good, another one sold!”

The association of blind people in Great Britain got very much upset by this text and they demanded that the text should be removed from the cover. Even politicians got involved in discussions and eventually Decca was forced to change the text. Both the original and the censored versions seems to have been used throughout the whole 60’s. Even the boxed logo versions from the 70’s can be found with both versions.

A lot of records are today being sold on e-bay by promoting the Blind Man text version as “very rare, hard to find” and a lot of other superlatives. This is a bit sad and misleading information. To find a copy that has the short censored version printed directly on the back sleeve together with a nonboxed LP is very hard. I have seven No2 non boxed records in my collection and all of them have the original long text version……..

Of the boxed LP’s you may find that about half of them are censored.

The "Paste Over" cover

Decca had lots of ready made covers in stock when the decision to change the blind man text was taken. Instead of destroying all covers, they decided to print a single paper sheet with the new censored text version and glue it on top of the original back cover.

The original back cover is slightly visible under the paste over paper sheet. The James Upton name as the cover manufacturer was not mentioned but only “Printed in England”. The paste over version is only found on non flip covers.

There was at least two batches made, one has ”Printed in England” in the lower left corner and another batch is missing the Printed text.

This was done during the first months of production of the elpee. The paste over back cover was delivered to music shops in a very small quantity. However, not all paste over covers were used in 1965. Decca probably stopped the delivery of the paste over covers as soon as they got new ones from the manufacturer in 1965. In 1968 or 1969 they reused the remaining paste over covers that they had in stock. This can be proved as I have recently found a vinyl that is a non grooved pressing but still inside a paste over cover.

The "Paste Over" "Flip back" & "Non flip back" covers

This LP cover was made in both “flip” and “non flip” versions. Two suppliers were used, MacNeill Press in London and James Upton Birmingham & London

First pressing is a flipback sleeve printed by MacNeill

Later sleeves are made by James Upton and can be found in both flipback and non flip back versions.

Sleeves printed in the 70’s for boxed label LP’s can be found with MacNeill or with the printer missing, MacNeill being an earlier print.

"GP 359" sticker on the back side

A GP 359 sticker can sometimes be found on the back side of the cover on LP’s with the boxed logo. This may have been an export to France and sold there with this sticker. The same type of stickers are usually found on the L’age D’or series in France.

Label details on LK4661

No2 do not have as many variations as the first LK4605, but still, a few minor differences can be found.

The same two top text versions as on LK4605 are also found on LK4661.

“MADE IN ENGLAND” and “MADE IN ENGLAND . THE DECCA RECORD CO.LTD.”

The short one would have mostly been used in 1965 and the longer version throughout the pressing period. All four combinations possible of long and short versions can be found on the same LP

Side 1 / Side 2
“MADE IN ENGLAND” / “MADE IN ENGLAND”
“MADE IN ENGLAND” / “MADE IN ENGLAND. THE DECCA RECORD CO.LTD.”
“MADE IN ENGLAND. THE DECCA RECORD CO.LTD.” / “MADE IN ENGLAND”
“MADE IN ENGLAND. THE DECCA RECORD CO.LTD.” / “MADE IN ENGLAND. THE DECCA RECORD CO.LTD.”

Non boxed label versions - Side 1

Lots of label versions are existing on the second Rolling Stones LP. The labels were not systematically used all the time so combinations of differen designs are rather common on this LP.

The labels on side 1 are listed first, followed by side 2 and then all label combinations for both sides.

Side 1 / Design No 3 / Version 1 (LK4661/S1/D3/V1)

Top text: “MADE IN ENGLAND”
Publishers: Divided on both sides of the label
Tax Code: K/T
Copyright box: BIEM – NCB box is on the left side of the label
Font style: Ariel looking font style
No production and recording information under The Rolling Stones

This is probably the earliest label used on No2 as it has the short top text. All labels made during the end of 1965 and later has the long top text.

Side 1 / Design No 3 / Version 2 (LK4661/S1/D3/V2)

Top text: “MADE IN ENGLAND”
Publishers: Divided on both sides of the label
Tax Code: K/T
Copyright box: BIEM – NCB box is on the left side of the label
Font style: Ariel looking font style
Production and recording information under The Rolling Stones

This version has all the basic information in the same place as version 1. The difference is that the production and recording information has been added on the lower part of the label. This version was probably made in 1965 as the short top text is still used.

Side 1 / Design No 3 / Version 3 (LK4661/S1/D3/V3)

Top text: “MADE IN ENGLAND”
Publishers: All on different lines on the left side of the label
Tax Code: K/T
Copyright box: BIEM – NCB box is on the right side of the label
Font style: Times New Roman looking font style

A third short top text version also used during 1965. Major difference to the previous labels is that the font is changed to a Times New Roman looking one. The S after the tax code ha also been added.

Side 1 / Design No 3 / Version 4 (LK4661/S1/D3/V4)

Top text: “MADE IN ENGLAND”
Publishers: All on different lines on the left side of the label
Tax Code: K/T
Copyright box: BIEM – NCB box is on the right side of the label
Font style: Times New Roman looking font style

This label is almost identical to S1/D3/V4. The only difference is that the BIEM box is slightly more to the left. This label was probably printed and used in 1965 but for some reason it was reused again in 1968 or 1969 on the nongrooved pressing. Maybe an old stock of labels were found and put into use.

Side 1 / Design No 4 / Version 1 (LK4661/S1/D4/V1)

Top text: “MADE IN ENGLAND . THE DECCA RECORD CO.LTD.”
Publishers: Divided on both sides of the label
Tax Code: K/T
Copyright box: BIEM – NCB box is on the left side of the label
Font style: Ariel looking font style
No production and recording information under The Rolling Stones

This version is almost identical to S1/D3/V1. The only change is that the short top text has been replaced with the long “Made In England. The Decca Recording Co. LTD”.

Side 1 / Design No 4 / Version 2 (LK4661/S1/D4/V2)

Top text: “MADE IN ENGLAND . THE DECCA RECORD CO.LTD.”
Publishers: All on different lines on the left side of the label
Tax Code: K/T
Copyright box: BIEM – NCB box is on the right side of the label
Font style: Times New Roman looking font style
No production and recording information under The Rolling Stones

There are lots of differances on this label compared to version 1. Times New Roman text font, all publishers on the left side and the BIEM on the right side of the label.

Side 1 / Design No 4 / Version 3 (LK4661/S1/D4/V3)

Top text: “MADE IN ENGLAND . THE DECCA RECORD CO.LTD.”
Publishers: Chappel and Essex Music on the same line
Tax Code: K/T
Copyright box: BIEM – NCB box is on the right side of the label
Font style: Times New Roman looking font style
No production and recording information under The Rolling Stones

This label is very similar to S1/D4/V2. The only difference is that publisher c and d are on the same line where as they are on different lines on the previous label version. This one is used on a nongrooved pressing from 1968 – 1969.

Nonboxed label versions - Side 2

Side 2 / Design No 3 / Version 1 (LK4661/S2/D3/V1)

Top text: “MADE IN ENGLAND”
Publishers: All but one on the left side of the label
Tax Code: K/T
Copyright box: BIEM – NCB box is on the left side of the label
Font style: Ariel looking font style
No production and recording information

This is probably the earliest label used on No2 as it has the short top text. All labels made during the end of 1965 and later has the long top text.

Side 2 / Design No 3 / Version 2 (LK4661/S2/D3/V2)

Top text: “MADE IN ENGLAND”
Publishers: All but one on the left side of the label
Tax Code: K/T
Copyright box: BIEM – NCB box is on the left side of the label
Font style: Ariel looking font style
Production and recording information under The Rolling Stones

This label is similar to S2/D3V1. Only change is that pruduction and recording information has been added.

Side 2 / Design No 3 / Version 3 (LK4661/S2/D3/V3)

Top text: “MADE IN ENGLAND”
Publishers: All on the left side of the label
Tax Code: K/T
Copyright box: BIEM – NCB box is on the right side of the label
Font style: Times New Roman looking font style
No production and recording information

This is probably the third version used during 1965. The font style on this version in a Times New Roman looking font style.

Side 2 / Design No 4 / Version 1 (LK4661/S2/D4/V1)

Top text: “MADE IN ENGLAND . THE DECCA RECORD CO. LTD”
Publishers: All but one on the left side of the label
Tax Code: K/T
Copyright box: BIEM – NCB box is on the left side of the label
Font style: Ariel looking font style
No production and recording information

This label is very much looking tike S2/D3/V1 and the only difference is that this one has the long top text.

Side 2 / Design No 4 / Version 2 (LK4661/S2/D4/V2)

Top text: “MADE IN ENGLAND . THE DECCA RECORD CO. LTD”
Publishers: All publishers on the left side of the label
Tax Code: K/T
Copyright box: BIEM – NCB box is on the right side of the label
Font style: Times New Roman looking font style
No production and recording information

The next long top text version has Times New Roman looking font style and the BIEM box is on the right side of the label.

Side 2 / Design No 4 / Version 3 (LK4661/S2/D4/V3)

Top text: “MADE IN ENGLAND . THE DECCA RECORD CO. LTD”
Publishers: All publishers on the left side of the label
Tax Code: K/T
Copyright box: BIEM – NCB box is on the right side of the label
Font style: Times New Roman looking font style
No production and recording information

The S after the tax code has been added on this label. It is olso on a nongrooved pressing from 1968 to 1969.

Side 2 / Design No 4 / Version 4 (LK4661/S2/D4/V4)

Top text: “MADE IN ENGLAND . THE DECCA RECORD CO. LTD”
Publishers: All publishers on the left side of the label. Now only four names
Tax Code: K/T
Copyright box: BIEM – NCB box is on the right side of the label
Font style: Times New Roman looking font style
No production and recording information

Another version on a nongrooved label. The major change here is that publisher Greenwich Music (d) for Pain In my Heart has been deleted and replaced with (c) Jewel Music.

Boxed label versions - Side 1

Side 1 / Design No 6 / Version 1 (LK4661/S1/D6/V1)

Publisihing year: At the bottom of the label
Speed: One time in small fonts
Font style: Times New Royal looking font
Estimated use: 1970 to 1972

This label has MONO text in the center of the label and it has the speed noted in small fonts. Song titles are one song for each line.

Side 1 / Design No 6 / Version 2 (LK4661/S1/D6/V2)

Publisihing year: At the bottom of the label
Speed: Missing
Font style: Times New Royal looking font
Estimated use: Mid 70’s

MONO as well as speed is missing from this label. Song titles are written as one chapter.

Side 1 / Design No 6 / Version 3 (LK4661/S1/D6/V3)

Publisihing year: At the bottom of the label
Speed: Two times at the left of the label
Font style: Times New Roman looking
Estimated use: Early 70’s

The change on this label is that the big font 33 RPM is added on the left upper side of the label. Otherwise it is looking almost like version 1.

Side 1 / Design No 12 / Version 1 (LK4661/S1/D12/V1)

Publisihing year: Above the catalogue number to the right of the label
Speed: One time in big fonts
Font style: Ariel looking
Estimated use: 1982 – 1984

This is the last boxed red Decca label used onthis LP. The vinyl is very thin and the label has a rim around it. BIEM / NCB not boxed. Two vinylpressings existing, one flat center and another one with a ring pressed around the center.

Boxed label versions - Side 2

Side 2 / Design No 6 / Version 1 (LK4661/S2/D6/V1)

Publisihing year: At the bottom of the label
Speed: One time in small fonts
Font style: Times New Royal looking font
Estimated use: 1970 to 1972

This label has MONO text in the center of the label and it has the speed noted in small fonts. Song titles are one song for each line.

Side 2 / Design No 6 / Version 2 (LK4661/S2/D6/V2)

Publisihing year: At the bottom of the label
Speed: Missing
Font style: Times New Royal looking font
Estimated use: Mid 70’s

MONO as well as speed is missing from this label. MCPS is above the BIEM box.

Side 2 / Design No 6 / Version 3 (LK4661/S2/D6/V3)

Publisihing year: At the bottom of the label
Speed: Two times at the left of the label
Font style: Times New Roman looking
Estimated use: Early 70’s

The change on this label is that the big font 33 RPM is added on the left upper side of the label.

Side 2 / Design No 12 / Version 1 (LK4661/S2/D12/V1)

Publishing year: Above the catalogue number to the right of the label
Speed: One time in big fonts
Font style: Ariel looking
Estimated use: 1982 – 1984

This is the last boxed red Decca label used on this LP. The vinyl is very thin and the label has a rim around it.BIEM / NCB not boxed. Two vinyl pressings existing, one flat center and another one with a ring pressed around the center.

Explanation on label design numbering can be found here.

Page history

Page created Jan 27th 2010

Updated:
2013 Feb 25th, Label combinations moved to own page
2012 December 17th, New version of label D12-V1 added
2012 March 18th – Boxed V2 labels added
2011 March 21st – Paste over with Printed in England missing added Thanks to Teemu Toropainen
2011 March 18th – Grooved label S1/D3/V4 picture and label combination S1/D3/V4 – S2/D4/V2 added
2010 December 1st – nongrooved S2/D3/V1 label added
2010 October 9th – Major update of the documentation on the labels
2010 August 23rd – Blind Man text edited
2010 June 13th – Printed By pics added
2010 June 11th – GB359 sticker and label design no 6 version 2 added, thanks Honestman Pascal
2010 May 23rd – Test pressing added